September 30, 2004

Kerry Wins!

I take it all back. Senator Kerry did very well. I would be surprised if he were to sway a lot of votes, but I think he did very well.

A Turkish-citizen friend just IM'ed me: "I am glad I dont have to vote "

Posted by jk at September 30, 2004 08:34 PM

Kerry will get a five to six point bounce out of this... it's up to Darth Cheney to pull the cart ahead next week. For now we are going to hear an awful lot of pro Kerry spin. Our boy fumbled tonight.

Posted by: sugarchuck at September 30, 2004 09:52 PM

5 to 6 points? I'm not that much of a pessimist.
John Kerry is boring.
George Bush is a lousy speaker.
Anyone who's still undecided tuned out very early, as it was boring as hell and simultanously painful to watch.
Slight bounce... within the margin of errors.

Posted by: AlexC at September 30, 2004 10:22 PM

I say W looked more comfortable on O'Reilly than he did tonight. I don't think he 'lost' the debate but he missed opportunities to 'win' it. My sister-in-law talked to a liberal friend afterward who said "Bush did better than I expected." Conclusion: We all think our guy didn't do as well as the other guy.

I say Alex is right. We're all wonks in this house and we were having trouble paying attention to the 'drying paint.' Screw the mutual admiration crap. Say what you really think! "My opponent is a stupid rich kid who's doing what Dick Cheney tells him to!" "Oh yeah, well MY opponent is a whiney French poodle!" That'll keep the Nielsen's up!

Posted by: johngalt at September 30, 2004 11:18 PM

Maybe I'm wrong. I just ran four miles with my "undecided" neighbor and she thought Kerry looked snide and was deliberately trying to provoke Bush by calling him a liar. She thought Bush said what he meant and the dead air was the result of him controlling his temper. She is now leaning towards Bush. Go figure....

Posted by: sugarchuck at October 1, 2004 05:41 AM

As Pete Domeneci said this morning, Kerry may have won on debate points but being president requires steadfastness, leadership and resolve.

I kept waiting for Bush to hold Kerry's feet to the fire for his contradictory positions but I guess that's the veeps job. Bush only went as far as "at least you know where I stand."

Posted by: johngalt at October 1, 2004 08:22 AM

I'll still give it to Senator Kerry on points, but don't think it's a six pointer.

Even with a good performance (I think we all agree there), Senator Kerry has some troubles with his base. When he says "I'll hunt down and kill the terrorists!" he chases my niece and brother to Nader. Yet when he appeases, he chases moderates in Ohio and Pennsylvania toward President Bush.

William Kristol said it best: W had a chance to end it last night with a good performance and he did not. He didn't lose the race so much as miss a big opportunity to put it away.

I have to go with AlexC as well. It was torture to watch. I live for this stuff and I couldn't wait for it to end. Anybody who cares so little as to be undecided (sorry SC's neighbor!) would have to have a tough time watching that pander-a-polooza.

Posted by: jk at October 1, 2004 08:29 AM

Well, we can all agree that it was painful to watch. Bush should just come out and say "I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot". There now he is honest and steadfast in his ideas and thus deserving of the job as commander in chief. I kept wondering why if this is a good as he can do after intense preparation would Karl Rove even agree to the idea of a debate in the first place. Kerry on the other hand managed to look and sound condescending even to the currently elected President. Perhaps warranted at times by Bush's fumbling, but a good po ker face would do both candidates some good. I thought Kerry had one good line after the many attempts by Bush to paint him as against the troops for his criticism of the handling of the war and aftermath and that was not to confuse the war with the warriors, as he said, a lesson we should have learned from Vietnam. But if I hear one more time that it is hard, and we have good people working on it... man, that is what I tell my boss when we have no freakin' idea how we are going to fix something. Someone should let Bush know that the idea of a debate is to make more points than the opponent, not to make the same two points over and over, this is not a mini stump speach, hence the guy at the desk in front asking questions. Kerry's idea of course is to do the same thing, only much, much differently. His ideas could work really well, if this was March of 2003.

2 hours of my life I'm never getting back.

Posted by: Silence Dogood at October 1, 2004 09:52 AM

Well, Silence: "It's hard work! But you were making progress!"

Posted by: jk at October 1, 2004 04:14 PM
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